Comments on: Twitter is Like the Weather http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/ Driving Innovation Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:12:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Jake http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5010 Jake Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:13:05 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5010 I do find it funny (and possibly smart) that Twitter dialed down expectations and some features in advance of Apple WWDC. Reminds me of that old SNL skit for the dating service called "Lowered Expectations".<br><br>Ah, Twitter. Sigh. I do find it funny (and possibly smart) that Twitter dialed down expectations and some features in advance of Apple WWDC. Reminds me of that old SNL skit for the dating service called “Lowered Expectations”.

Ah, Twitter. Sigh.

]]> By: davidhaimes http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5009 davidhaimes Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:13:44 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5009 Jake,<br><br>You would assume the VCs who kicked in some cash have some idea how to make money out of this longer term. However I have seen VC money thrown at some crazy stuff with no chance of ever making money. Hindsight is always 20/20 ;) Jake,

You would assume the VCs who kicked in some cash have some idea how to make money out of this longer term. However I have seen VC money thrown at some crazy stuff with no chance of ever making money. Hindsight is always 20/20 ;)

]]> By: davidhaimes http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-4999 davidhaimes Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:09:16 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-4999 Notes to Michael: <br>1) Dead companies don't need to manage infrastructure.<br>2) $20m does not go far, especially when trying get 3 or more 9s availability. <br>3) Many companies who manged infrastructure well are dead, due to a lack of business mode, webvan for example.<br><br>David<br>http:/twitter.com/dhaimes Notes to Michael:
1) Dead companies don't need to manage infrastructure.
2) $20m does not go far, especially when trying get 3 or more 9s availability.
3) Many companies who manged infrastructure well are dead, due to a lack of business mode, webvan for example.

David
http:/twitter.com/dhaimes

]]> By: Jake http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5008 Jake Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:11:30 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5008 I still say this whole debate is chicken/egg. What's the point in achieving ironclad reliability if people are willing to forgive Twitter? It's become a joke among users, and I've still not seen an exodus. Have you? <br><br>On the positive side, maybe the flakiness means people are less likely to base their own businesses on Twitter, which is a good thing, since Twitter is a free service. So, what's wrong with "good enough" reliability? <br><br>I hope the VCs who ponied up the most recent round kicked the business model tires too. I still say this whole debate is chicken/egg. What's the point in achieving ironclad reliability if people are willing to forgive Twitter? It's become a joke among users, and I've still not seen an exodus. Have you?

On the positive side, maybe the flakiness means people are less likely to base their own businesses on Twitter, which is a good thing, since Twitter is a free service. So, what's wrong with “good enough” reliability?

I hope the VCs who ponied up the most recent round kicked the business model tires too.

]]> By: Jake http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5000 Jake Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:06:22 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5000 Agreed, Twitter has many possible business models from which to choose. It would be a hoot if they crowdsourced it too. That would ensure a palatable model that would appeal to the majority of users. Agreed, Twitter has many possible business models from which to choose. It would be a hoot if they crowdsourced it too. That would ensure a palatable model that would appeal to the majority of users.

]]> By: Michael Krigsman http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-4998 Michael Krigsman Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:07:41 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-4998 Sure, David has a point that Twitter needs a business model. But, that's not what it needs today. With $20M in funding, Twitter has all the funding it requires for the foreseeable short-term future. Right now the company needs to manage it's infrastructure with the goal of utility-level reliability. If they don't accomplish this, Twitter will die. <br><br>Note to David: Dead companies don't need a business model.<br><br>Michael Krigsman<br><a href="http://twitter.com/mkrigsman">http://twitter.com/mkrigsman</a> Sure, David has a point that Twitter needs a business model. But, that's not what it needs today. With $20M in funding, Twitter has all the funding it requires for the foreseeable short-term future. Right now the company needs to manage it's infrastructure with the goal of utility-level reliability. If they don't accomplish this, Twitter will die.

Note to David: Dead companies don't need a business model.

Michael Krigsman
http://twitter.com/mkrigsman

]]> By: davidhaimes http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-4997 davidhaimes Sun, 08 Jun 2008 08:47:08 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-4997 A lot of people send and receive tweets via SMS, so I wonder if they could get some share of the revenue from that and with some tight integration into the mobile provider phonesvand services they could accelerate adoption too. In the UK where local phone calls are not free, many dial up ISP would offer a free service andmake money taking a share of the phone revenue. <br><br>If anyone at Twitter reads this and haven't thought of it yet thought of it - contact me to work out how much you're going to pay me for the idea. A lot of people send and receive tweets via SMS, so I wonder if they could get some share of the revenue from that and with some tight integration into the mobile provider phonesvand services they could accelerate adoption too. In the UK where local phone calls are not free, many dial up ISP would offer a free service andmake money taking a share of the phone revenue.

If anyone at Twitter reads this and haven't thought of it yet thought of it - contact me to work out how much you're going to pay me for the idea.

]]> By: Jake http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5007 Jake Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:28:21 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5007 Hard to attract new users in the face of shoddy reliability, as Michael says, but most of us are hooked and willing to ride out the dark times.<br><br>Paying for a service isn't the only business model online; in fact, it's probably the least common, due to the free nature of the Intertubes and the fact that there are plenty of clones.<br><br>Twitter is not only popular because it is free; the service and network make it valuable to users. Pownce and Jaiku are also free, but they are not nearly as popular asTwitter. Lots of new, free services launch every month, but they're not all popular just b/c they're free. Free is expected. Hard to attract new users in the face of shoddy reliability, as Michael says, but most of us are hooked and willing to ride out the dark times.

Paying for a service isn't the only business model online; in fact, it's probably the least common, due to the free nature of the Intertubes and the fact that there are plenty of clones.

Twitter is not only popular because it is free; the service and network make it valuable to users. Pownce and Jaiku are also free, but they are not nearly as popular asTwitter. Lots of new, free services launch every month, but they're not all popular just b/c they're free. Free is expected.

]]> By: S. Venkataramanan http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5006 S. Venkataramanan Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:16:59 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5006 Will you use Google Search if you were ask to pay for it? Twitter is popular because its free. They should look at attracting more customers now and increasing reliability. With the current image, building a business model over something that is unreliable would be difficult or rather impossible. Will you use Google Search if you were ask to pay for it? Twitter is popular because its free. They should look at attracting more customers now and increasing reliability. With the current image, building a business model over something that is unreliable would be difficult or rather impossible.

]]> By: Jake http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5005 Jake Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:44:39 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5005 I find it interesting that two companies in different parts of the world were moving in exactly the same direction concurrently.<br><br>Too bad we can't see an architecture bake-off between the two. From a user's view, they seem very similar, but somehow I think the architecture is very different.<br><br>I suspect Google is watching Twitter's very public travails with interest. I expect them to integrate Jaiku soon b/c let's face it Google/Jaiku can bring micro-blogging to a larger user base that doesn't know about Twitter. I find it interesting that two companies in different parts of the world were moving in exactly the same direction concurrently.

Too bad we can't see an architecture bake-off between the two. From a user's view, they seem very similar, but somehow I think the architecture is very different.

I suspect Google is watching Twitter's very public travails with interest. I expect them to integrate Jaiku soon b/c let's face it Google/Jaiku can bring micro-blogging to a larger user base that doesn't know about Twitter.

]]> By: Andy C http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5004 Andy C Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:00:50 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5004 Jake - thanks for the update (and link). Interesting. Jake - thanks for the update (and link). Interesting.

]]> By: Andy C http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5003 Andy C Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:45:04 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5003 They both beat gMail which is still in beta :-)<br><br>2008/6/6 Disqus <>: They both beat gMail which is still in beta :-)

2008/6/6 Disqus <>:

]]> By: Jake http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5002 Jake Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:34:12 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5002 Passionate being the keyword. Power balance in the Intertubes does shift, remember Excite?<br><br>Regarding history, Jaiku formed a company in 2/06 and launched its service in 8/06 in beta. It left beta in 3/07. Twitter started within Obvious in 3/06 and launched its service in 10/06. Some would argue it's still in beta :)<br><br>Their history is pretty closely tied, but even a year ago, Jaiku was seen as a <a href="http://mashable.com/2007/03/01/jaiku/">clone</a>. So, I guess perception is reality. Passionate being the keyword. Power balance in the Intertubes does shift, remember Excite?

Regarding history, Jaiku formed a company in 2/06 and launched its service in 8/06 in beta. It left beta in 3/07. Twitter started within Obvious in 3/06 and launched its service in 10/06. Some would argue it's still in beta :)

Their history is pretty closely tied, but even a year ago, Jaiku was seen as a clone. So, I guess perception is reality.

]]> By: Andy C http://theappslab.com/2008/06/05/twitter-is-like-the-weather/#comment-5001 Andy C Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:32:29 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=866#comment-5001 Twitter has a large, loyal and passionate user base. People can't see a micro-blogging world where Twitter isn't dominant. But then again, years ago, I couldn't see a search engine coming along to displace AltaVista.<br><br>[Jaiku launched 6 months before Twitter so it's slightly unfair to label them as a Twitter 'clone'.] Twitter has a large, loyal and passionate user base. People can't see a micro-blogging world where Twitter isn't dominant. But then again, years ago, I couldn't see a search engine coming along to displace AltaVista.

[Jaiku launched 6 months before Twitter so it's slightly unfair to label them as a Twitter 'clone'.]

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