Comments on: Save the Developers from the Users http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/ Driving Oracle Innovation Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:57:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: 2008 April 01 | ORACLE-BASE Blog Aggregator http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3645 2008 April 01 | ORACLE-BASE Blog Aggregator Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:23:40 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3645 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] I teased yesterday, I’ve been mucking around with virtual machines to extend my ability to test Mix. Due to the [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] I teased yesterday, I’ve been mucking around with virtual machines to extend my ability to test Mix. Due to the [...]

]]> By: Jake http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3454 Jake Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:15:17 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3454 @Oliver: IE6 to IE7 shows the shift caused by Firefox; in the 5 years between the two, MSFT had to shift development to support standards and modern browser features that weren't in the original product plan for IE7. One bummer side effect is that apps built for IE6 never considered other browsers, and they won't port to more open browsers, including IE7. Ironic. @Oliver: IE6 to IE7 shows the shift caused by Firefox; in the 5 years between the two, MSFT had to shift development to support standards and modern browser features that weren’t in the original product plan for IE7.

One bummer side effect is that apps built for IE6 never considered other browsers, and they won’t port to more open browsers, including IE7. Ironic.

]]> By: Oliver http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3451 Oliver Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:28:10 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3451 several of our customers, especially the bigger cooperations, haven't upgraded to IE7 bacause - not all intranet apps are working well with IE7 - the upgrade is not hasslefree clear profiles, reinstall certificates, .... If IE6 and IE7 could coexist then the switch would have been made several of our customers, especially the bigger cooperations, haven’t upgraded to IE7 bacause
- not all intranet apps are working well with IE7
- the upgrade is not hasslefree
clear profiles, reinstall certificates, ….

If IE6 and IE7 could coexist then the switch would have been made

]]> By: Jake http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3382 Jake Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:30:37 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3382 @Chris: Thanks, it's a bit tongue-in-cheek. On the one hand, it would be nice to drop IE6-specific development and testing, but on the other, you can't bully your users. Thanks for the pointer to Dean's work. @Chris: Thanks, it’s a bit tongue-in-cheek. On the one hand, it would be nice to drop IE6-specific development and testing, but on the other, you can’t bully your users.

Thanks for the pointer to Dean’s work.

]]> By: Chris Neumueller http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3380 Chris Neumueller Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:00:45 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3380 Oops, s/Dave/Dean/ Oops, s/Dave/Dean/

]]> By: Chris Neumueller http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3379 Chris Neumueller Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:00:09 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3379 Hi! I like your blog title ;-). Regarding JavaScript differences, there are several libraries that could help. See for example Dave Edwards' IE7-js (http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/). Hi!

I like your blog title ;-). Regarding JavaScript differences, there are several libraries that could help. See for example Dave Edwards’ IE7-js (http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/).

]]> By: Jake http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3376 Jake Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:54:25 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3376 @Gary: I second that. IETab is a great way to do what I need, and I'd completely forgotten about it after upgrading to FF3. Good stuff. @Gary: I second that. IETab is a great way to do what I need, and I’d completely forgotten about it after upgrading to FF3. Good stuff.

]]> By: Gary http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3375 Gary Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:43:37 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3375 When you've got essential web apps that don't support IE7, you stick with IE6. Google "TestDirector IE7" for an example of the problem. Maybe we need a separation of rendering engine and browser UI, like the IETab extension for Firefox. When you’ve got essential web apps that don’t support IE7, you stick with IE6. Google “TestDirector IE7″ for an example of the problem.
Maybe we need a separation of rendering engine and browser UI, like the IETab extension for Firefox.

]]> By: Jake http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3370 Jake Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:16:17 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3370 @Tim: This is cool. Our problem is that we need to reproduce specific error conditions, usually caused by Javascript differences in IE6. A screenshot won't cut it, so we have bunches of browsers crossed with the big three O/S. @Tim: This is cool.

Our problem is that we need to reproduce specific error conditions, usually caused by Javascript differences in IE6. A screenshot won’t cut it, so we have bunches of browsers crossed with the big three O/S.

]]> By: Tim Hall http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/31/save-the-developers-from-the-users/#comment-3369 Tim Hall Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:47:42 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/?p=755#comment-3369 Hi. You could do some of your basic testing without installign different browsers if you use this: http://browsershots.org/ Cheers Tim... Hi.

You could do some of your basic testing without installign different browsers if you use this:

http://browsershots.org/

Cheers

Tim…

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