Comments on: How Do You Do Enterprise 2.0? http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/ Driving Oracle Innovation Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:58:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Jake http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2195 Jake Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:28:43 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2195 @Ethan: Thanks for adding to the discussion. The takeaway for me is that different approaches fit different situations. Craig makes a point on his blog about throwing up something internally and using it within the firewall, but as I mentioned in his comments, that approach assumes you have the hardware in place, which often isn't the case budgets being as tight as they are. Our discussion really got me thinking empirically about how to approach the Enterprise 2.0 demand internally, which in and of itself is a positive. Anyone approaching an E 2.0 problem needs to understand the broad options and moving parts before continuing down any of the paths. Anyway, all good stuff. @Ethan: Thanks for adding to the discussion. The takeaway for me is that different approaches fit different situations. Craig makes a point on his blog about throwing up something internally and using it within the firewall, but as I mentioned in his comments, that approach assumes you have the hardware in place, which often isn’t the case budgets being as tight as they are.

Our discussion really got me thinking empirically about how to approach the Enterprise 2.0 demand internally, which in and of itself is a positive. Anyone approaching an E 2.0 problem needs to understand the broad options and moving parts before continuing down any of the paths.

Anyway, all good stuff.

]]> By: Ethan Jewett http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2194 Ethan Jewett Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:21:34 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2194 Great write-up. I'm a tad late to the party here, but I figure better late than never. My impression of the reason we have different approaches is that we're trying to implement in an environment that may make untenable demands on the software deployed within it. Interoperability and openness often clash with security concerns and politics. Describing my (currently) favored approach of using external tools in conjunction with open internal tools as 'on the down low' is correct in a sense: I think developing prototypes outside of the institutional framework around the development process can be a powerful approach to introducing internal tools and (most importantly) triggering conversations. This doesn't mean that the development and the tools are secret and unsupported. In fact, the goal of conversation requires that the existence of tools be shared and that we be willing to discuss the tools. Example: External widgets on internal wikis raise information security issues around cross-site-scripting. Discussion: How do we balance increased (I assume) productivity from these widgets against the security tradeoff? Is it or is it not worthwhile to redevelop the widget in-house in order to change the security exposure under discussion? These are complex discussions around subjects that most people (myself included) don't fully understand. There are issues around whether we are correctly portraying the the tradeoffs of information security and how we measure the return on investment of knowledge management and communication tools. I think it helps a lot to have examples that we can use as discussion points and I certainly like being able to use my tools of choice, but the real goal is to accelerate the discussions and create solutions (both technical and political) that I hope will end up unifying the three approaches. Great write-up. I’m a tad late to the party here, but I figure better late than never.

My impression of the reason we have different approaches is that we’re trying to implement in an environment that may make untenable demands on the software deployed within it. Interoperability and openness often clash with security concerns and politics.

Describing my (currently) favored approach of using external tools in conjunction with open internal tools as ‘on the down low’ is correct in a sense: I think developing prototypes outside of the institutional framework around the development process can be a powerful approach to introducing internal tools and (most importantly) triggering conversations.

This doesn’t mean that the development and the tools are secret and unsupported. In fact, the goal of conversation requires that the existence of tools be shared and that we be willing to discuss the tools.

Example: External widgets on internal wikis raise information security issues around cross-site-scripting. Discussion: How do we balance increased (I assume) productivity from these widgets against the security tradeoff? Is it or is it not worthwhile to redevelop the widget in-house in order to change the security exposure under discussion?

These are complex discussions around subjects that most people (myself included) don’t fully understand. There are issues around whether we are correctly portraying the the tradeoffs of information security and how we measure the return on investment of knowledge management and communication tools.

I think it helps a lot to have examples that we can use as discussion points and I certainly like being able to use my tools of choice, but the real goal is to accelerate the discussions and create solutions (both technical and political) that I hope will end up unifying the three approaches.

]]> By: Jake http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2193 Jake Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:33:19 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2193 Kishore: Sorry, "tool" is an English colloquialism for a useless person or someone for whom you have no use. Kinda opposite of its dictionary meaning, but what do I know? Kishore: Sorry, “tool” is an English colloquialism for a useless person or someone for whom you have no use. Kinda opposite of its dictionary meaning, but what do I know?

]]> By: Kishore Balakrishnan http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2180 Kishore Balakrishnan Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:43:43 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2180 Search for "This person is either way too busy to participate or thinks I’m a complete tool." "complete tool" is intentional ? Please clarify.. Search for “This person is either way too busy to participate or thinks I’m a complete tool.”

“complete tool” is intentional ? Please clarify..

]]> By: James Governor’s Monkchips » Innovation, Networks and Random Acts of Traction http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2166 James Governor’s Monkchips » Innovation, Networks and Random Acts of Traction Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:57:23 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2166 [...] bonus points: How do you foster and meet the “hidden demand“? By far my favourite blog of the week came from Jake Kuramoto. It makes me happy to see [...] [...] bonus points: How do you foster and meet the “hidden demand“? By far my favourite blog of the week came from Jake Kuramoto. It makes me happy to see [...]

]]> By: links for 2007-12-13 | mad dog in the fog http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2150 links for 2007-12-13 | mad dog in the fog Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:24:27 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2150 [...] Oracle AppsLab » How Do You Do Enterprise 2.0? A discussion about different approaches for rolling out tools like Twitter inside the firewall (tags: enterprise2.0) [...] [...] Oracle AppsLab » How Do You Do Enterprise 2.0? A discussion about different approaches for rolling out tools like Twitter inside the firewall (tags: enterprise2.0) [...]

]]> By: Jake http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2139 Jake Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:48:02 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2139 I heart OCS. We use it internally for corporate email, chat, files, etc. I can't change it to do social networking or bookmarking though. I don't have that type of pull. I haven't spoken to their product team about Enterprise 2.0 recently. And if it I knew, I couldn't tell you :-) Nice try though. If you want to sit with someone on the product team, let me know. I heart OCS. We use it internally for corporate email, chat, files, etc. I can’t change it to do social networking or bookmarking though. I don’t have that type of pull.

I haven’t spoken to their product team about Enterprise 2.0 recently. And if it I knew, I couldn’t tell you :-)

Nice try though. If you want to sit with someone on the product team, let me know.

]]> By: Craig's Rantings... http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2138 Craig's Rantings... Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:26:43 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2138 <strong>Oracle AppsLab » How Do You Do Enterprise 2.0?...</strong> I was tossing around the idea of writing a post on this one as well as the conversation got very interesting.Jake lays down the background pretty well."... Oracle AppsLab » How Do You Do Enterprise 2.0?…

I was tossing around the idea of writing a post on this one as well as the conversation got very interesting.Jake lays down the background pretty well.”…

]]> By: Eddie Awad http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2136 Eddie Awad Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:54:48 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2136 Even though not Twitter like, Oracle Collaboration Suite (OCS), which is an enterprise level product, already has forums and chat capabilities, and much more. http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/cs/index.html Where do you think OCS is relative to enterprise 2.0? Even though not Twitter like, Oracle Collaboration Suite (OCS), which is an enterprise level product, already has forums and chat capabilities, and much more.

http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/cs/index.html

Where do you think OCS is relative to enterprise 2.0?

]]> By: Rich Manalang - FriendFeed http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2158 Rich Manalang - FriendFeed Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oracleappslab.com/2007/12/12/how-do-you-do-enterprise-20/#comment-2158 <!--%kramer-pre%-->How Do You Do Enterprise 2.0?<!--%kramer-post%--> How Do You Do Enterprise 2.0?

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